Alien siting confirmed

It's true and Ahmet over at Turkish Soccer confirmed it that Fatih Terim does indeed have no contact with earth at all and that he is an alien. This was of course confirmed by his decision to ignore all the evidence in front of his eyes, as if he has not been on this planet watching the Super Lig games and picks Volkan as goalkeeper for match against Greece.

Absolutely unbelievable.

There is nothing else to say, nothing...........

Back to the past.....

It has taken me a couple of days to absorb the information and get over the shock but finally I have worked out the answer. The Fatih Terim we see and hear everyday (unfortunately) is actually an advanced hologram or alien life form because no normal, sane human could have picked the squad that he has picked for Turkey's rather important Euro 2008 Qualifiers.

The squad:

Hakan Şükür, Arda Turan, Sabri Sarıoğlu, Emre Aşık (Galatasaray A.Ş.), Volkan Demirel, Tümer Metin, Tuncay Şanlı, Mehmet Aurelio (Fenerbahçe), İbrahim Toraman, İbrahim Üzülmez, Gökhan Zan (Beşiktaş A.Ş.), Gökdeniz Karadeniz, Hüseyin Cimşir (Trabzonspor A.Ş.), Gökhan Ünal, Mehmet Topuz (Kayserispor), Mehmet Yıldız, Servet Çetin (Sivasspor), Hakan Arıkan (Ankaraspor A.Ş.), Ferdi Elmas (Çaykur Rizespor), Orkun Uşak (Kayseri Erciyesspor), Bekir İrtegün (Gaziantepspor), Hamit Altıntop (Schalke 04), Nuri Şahin (Borussia Dortmund), Emre Belözoğlu (Newcastle United FC), Tugay Kerimoğlu (Blackburn Rovers FC), Fatih Tekke (Zenit St. Petersburg)

Even as a Galatasaray supporter I find the selection of Sabri and Emre Asik questionable to say the least especially as Umit who is banging goals in at will is left out. Hakan Sukur is past it but lest not forget he scored 4 last time so at the least have him in the squad and maybe on the bench. Volkan should not even be playing for the Kadikoy Mob let alone in the National Squad as he is probably worse than David James. Tugay whilst being a great great player does not have the legs anymore for Internationals. I know lets bring back Umit Davala, Alpay and Ilhan, why not they cannot do worse than this lot and where is Halil Altintop. Of course things may changes as Arda is injured. I can also guarantee that whatever the result the Imperator will not accept any blame and will also be rude and aggressive to the reporters.

I hope it does not happen but I have a feeling we will get hammered by the Greeks unless Terim has some cunning plan, which I doubt. Oh well it could be worse and be like the Husband who has to put up with Steve Maclaren and is refusing to talk about the England Israel match saying he has no interest in International games and only wants Man Utd to win things!!!!!

Snow, snow glorious snow..........not!

So Friday, what was all that about? 2-1 up and a couple of minutes left and what happens we let the Konya player score apparently. Useless thats what they are this season, useless. and withe Kadikoy mob winning at Bursaspor thats pretty much it for the season I think. Now all we ca do is hope we get a UEFA cup spot and hope the management can bring in some reasonable players in the summer.

I say apparently because I did not see the game due to the weather conditions in New Jersey. On Thursday it was 17 degrees and then Friday morning it started to snow and by Saturday morning we had 15 inches of snow!!!!! I had to go into the City to get my laptop sorted as some slimeball had sent an email with a virus or something which corrupted my Outlook that I use for my work email. The snow was causing problems for the trains so I did not get back in time to watch the match.

Husband and I watched the Man Utd Bolton match. Now there is football, speed precision, excitement and good spirit! Pretty much all of which is missing from the Super Lig this season.

Looks like there was some excitement at the Vestel Manisa game, anybody know what happened?

Here is a picture of our area after the snow last night and the neighbors clearing efforts.

Ouch!!!!

Before anything else I would like to say Gecmis Olsun to Musa who suffered a horrible injury, probably a broken leg, in todays game when he inadvertently kicked Arda I think it was. Thank you to LigTV who kept on replaying the scene, I am not sure I wanted to see it 20 times!!!!

Well at the edn of the first half the best Turkish Player on display was ........Tuday who was playing for Blackburn against Man City in the FA Cup. I was keeping an eye on that game and at 36 Tugay still appeared to be the calm centre of the storm. What a pity that not one of the players in Istanbul could copy him. Its no wonder Terim has recalled him but what a bad statement about the quality of the other Turkish players.

Inamoto was terrible, I think he made one successful pass and the Ergun was the same!! Thank goodness for Arda who appears to be able to control the ball.

The second half was a lot better, in fact Galatasaray controlled the game apart from the Trabzon goal that is. The Husband compared to the goal to watching Nat Lofthouse in his prime who apparently was famous for knocking goalkeepers into the goal.

I think the 2-1 result was a good result and the performance in the second half was much better than recently so that was encouraging.

No change in the league positions though as the Kankas obviously failed miserably to get behind Ankargucu who lost to Besiktas. Keeps things alive for a another couple of weeks though.

Lessons to learn

First of all congratulations to Oz Kanka's sister in law who has recently given birth and chosen the superb name of Rose.....not that I am biased of course.

I was having a discussion with a Besiktas supporter the other day, not an everyday occurrence I admit but at least its possible unlike with some teams.......and we were talking about the poor state of play in the Turkish league. He made some interesting comments and I thought I would share them especially on a Chimps league day which could see four English teams through and where not that long ago we could have expected Galatasaray or even the Kadikoy mob to at least be involved and have some hope.

These days it seems that when a Turkish team lose in Europe it is almost expected and people are not surprised. For example when AZ Alkmaar knocked out FB the reaction was not as great as it would have been a few years ago. Its the same when Galatasaray kept losing in the Chimps League this season to teams with the exception of Liverpool we really should expect to beat. Have the standard in the Turkish League fallen so low that we now consider ourselves worse than French League 1 or Dutch Eerdivisie teams and that we expect to lose????

If thats the case what can/should be done, anything? nothing?

Another point was that what is the Turkish team going to do for a goalkeeper now that Volkan is effectively finished, maybe hope that Mondragon changes his name to Abdullah or something but even he has been less consistent than previously....where are the Turkish goalkeepers????

Also what about a target man. Other than Hakan Sukur there is no forward in the Turkish League who can play with his back to goal and bring in payers form midfield, for a prime example Dimitar Berbatov gave a textbook example of how to do this when Tottenham played Bolton recently almost all of the attackers play the Brazilian way which is to drop deep take the ball and then run at the defence. Unfortunately Hasan Kabze and the rest are not very good at it.

What do you think?

Cultural monday monkey

Husband here......

That's the first day of the week over with and here in New Jersey the brass monkey's balls have been falling off....or at least they will tonight.

Now for everyone out there who is wondering what on earth I am talking about this means it will be extremely cold. But what I hear you ask does it have to do with monkey balls and why are they made of brass????????

Ahhhh the subtle joys of Wobbly arrow's language indeed...

I must admit that I thought this had to do with cannon balls, brass, monkeys and cold but according to Wikipedia I am sadly mistaken.....still it will be a balmy -10F tomorrow with the wind chill or -23C. It's March for goodness sake, I don't know about brass monkeys but its cold enough to freeze the balls off me.......and lets not forget the db's.

Anyway after a weekend of doom and gloom I will make some predictions. Manchester Utd will win the Premiership but only just, Chavski will win the FA Cup to add to the Carling cup and thats all, Lille are a bunch of winging french fries and should be smothered in mayonnaise, Fenerbahce will not win the SuperLig but I have no idea who will.....any suggestions (and for those in Ankara, I mean realistic suggestions.....)

In addition I predict Cem Deda will learn to tie hi show laces and stop having his mother buy underwear for him before the end of the season.

Enough enough I hear you cry...........

Cem Deda II

Another really excellent result form Kadikoy where Sivasspor really should have won the match to really open up the SuperLig. As it is with the Gencler result and others teh end of the season could be quite interesting for all concerned.

Mr Deda showed his usual brand of incompetence and inconsistency which on this occassion meant that the Kadikoy mob did not get everything they wanted!!!!

Season over?

Well it seems that despite the fact that Gerets has signed an extension this has not had the desired effect of settling the players down. A loss last weekend, knocked out of the Cup during the week and now a loss to the referee....I mean Besiktas today. Contrary to last season the team is now playing worse after the winter break than before and I really cannot see any way for Galatasaray to win the SuperLig this season. Results since the restart of the season are WDWLDL which is not the form needed.

This was a strange team that Gerets put out for such an important match no Song, Ilic, Inamoto, Hakan, Orhan Ak or Hasan Sas.

Having said that the team played relatively well although Necati was in one of his more profligate moods today as he should have had a couple of goals in the first half after good work from Arda. One thing that left a bad taste in the mouth though was the play acting of the Besiktas defenders especially the slap head. A couple of times he was beaten and a GS player was in very good position only for a free kick to be awarded against them as the slap head was rolling around pretending to be hurt even though replays showed no foul. That is cheating, pure and simple but with todays referee, Firat Aydinus, Besiktas were rewarded for all of their underhand tactics.

On the balance of play I believe a draw should have been the result, certainly CimBom were not good enough to win but I also don't think Besiktas really deserved to win especially with the rather dodgy penalty they were awarded. Apart from the fact that Bobo the clown was pushing Mehmet in the back handball should be hand to ball and the replays clearly showed this was not the case. What makes it harder to take was the rather obvious foul on Umit a couple of minutes that resulted in nothing........as I have said time and time again the referees in Turkey are poor and inconsistent, I don't believe they are corrupt rather they are just crap and easily influneced by the home crowd.

Great result in Liverpool today, serves the scousers right for being so arrogant.....but again the ref was not exactly consistent.....Carragher gets a yellow for a studs up, late, high vicious challenge on Rooney and Scholes gets a red for swinging and missing at Alonso who was clearly dragging him back and was already on a yellow. Todays ref was also infliuenced by the Liverpool crowd so its not just Turkey....

Lucky Escape

Excellent result in Antalya today with Antalya winning 1-0 which keeps the gap manageable.

Seems like all the Istanbul teams are in meltdown at the moment but is anyone else going to take advantage?

What the f***

Husband here again.

Gulay is not happy after Friday's result in the Super Lig, a 1-1 draw with Denizlispor. I must admit I did not see the game as I was at work in Manhattan and Gulay did not see it either as she was asleep!!!

That is probably that as far as the Championship is concerned, all we can hope is that the Kadikoy mob implode as Volkan continues to stuff things up. At least we are still in second place as Besiktas managed to lose to Trabzon but this season is rapidly unravelling for CimBom. There must be a clear out at the end of the season, new defence, new midfield and new attack needed! The coach could stay as Gerets has in our opinion done a reasonable job but I doubt if the management will let him if the Championship goes to Asia. GS need to finish at least second and then hope we can do better in the Chimps League next season. Of course FB getting knocked out by AZ Alkmaar means fewer points for Turkey so fewer chances to get on the CL.


At least Man Utd got a won today against Fulham so now they are 9 points ahead of Chavski, which is good as the next away game is Liverpool! Normally I would expect 3 points from that game but the last couple of matches Utd have not payed too well and Liverpool having beaten Barcelona away are on a high, plus we have a FA Cup replay against Reading on Tuesday, no rest for the wicked!

Well thats that so bye for now!

Supposedly cultural hooligans

Watched the Man Utd Lille match last night.

Very poor game won by a piece of quick thinking by Giggs. Unfortunately it seems that most French football players and their manager do not know the laws of football. The quickly taken free kick is something you see week in week out in the EPL, the ref asks, and moves away from the ball and its up to the team that committed the offence to keep their eyes on what is happening, if they are looking at their goalkeeper then tough luck! As for Puels comments that Giggs should have been booked or sent off then yes if the player had said he will wait for the whistle and takes it quickly, I have seen that happen but not if he says I'll have a quickie!

As for walking off the pitch to protest if thats what typically happens in France than maybe UEFA should be considering whether French Football should be in Europe at all as they appear to play to a different set of rules.

Typical French, can't stand being beaten, again and again and again by the English. What a bunch of cry babies.

As for the problems in the crowd, pictures of old ladies and kids being carried out of a prison cage, now banned in the UK of course, as a result of tear gas being used on fans who appeared to being crushed, good on you you French morons, way to manage a situation properly. It looked like Hillsborough was about to start all over again.

And then there were the missiles being thrown on to the pitch by the French "Supporters". How sad is that, this again shows the complete inability of the French to police things properly.

IN short it looks like the French Riot Police were itching for a fight, it looks like they scored an own goal though and should have targeted the home fans and the stewards who were responsible for the problems.

It will be interesting to see UEFA's response to this. I am half expecting Man Utd to be punished more severely than Lille actually and it would not surprise me if UEFA somehow convince themselves that the referee made a technical mistake and order the game relayed. Just remember what happened between Bahrain and another Asian team before last years World Cup when Bahrain claimed the referee should not have awarded a penalty and forced the game to be replayed. Why the cynicisms you ask, well Platini is the new boss of UEFA and he will of course support the French teams in the same way Splatter supports anyone who is not Turkish or English.

Lets face it UEFA have been silent so far on the trouble in Italy but whenever there is problems in Turkey or UK they are very quick to talk about bans etc. The only country to have been banned from European competition are English teams after Heysel , and Feyernoord, and yet it seems that other countries can kill, maim and cause general chaos without sanction. I expect almost nothing to be done to Lille even though they should be kicked from the competition. Lets face it of Turkey are banned from home games for 6 matches after the Swiss match then what should be Lille's sanction?

Trail of incompetence

The Husband here again.

Just finished watching the Galatasaray Gaziantepspor match and also the Man Utd Reading match in the FA Cup. On view tonight was one known incompetent, who generally lived up to his reputation, and one total and relatively new incompetent who proved he should not be a referee in the Super Lig. I refer of course to Messrs Poll and Deda. Now we all know about Mr Poll but Cem Deda excelled himself in the GS Antep game.

In the last 10 minutes there were two clear penalties for Galatasaray, one for the clear foul on Hasan by Fukrat (or whatever the hell his name was) and one for the tosting of Oakn by........you guessed it Fukrat. There was a third on Umit but that was less clear. According to Mr Deda it is not a penalty when the defender slides through from the back takes your legs before getting the ball, and when you complain it is a yellow card. That was only one of his many poor decisions and let me be clear he was consistently incompetent with regard to decisions made against both GS and Antep. This man is so incompetent I bet his boots have velcro on them so he does not have to worry about tying his own laces!

This was a frustrating game as GS dominated but could not get close to the goal, partly because of the incompetence of Mr Deda but aslo partly because of the Antep game plan which seemed to rely on fouling any GS player with 25meters of the goal and hoping Mr Deda gave them the free kick? It worked too.

As for the Antep goal there was a non-free kick awarded by the ever consistent Mr Deda from which they scored. Not much else to say really except that even Mr Poll would have managed to get at least some of the decisions correct.

Anyway its a setback in the race for the championship and all we can hope is that Sakaryaspor can pull off a surprise result in Istanbul on Sunday, faint hope but anything is possible.

Happy days

This has been a good weekend.

Why?

Fenerbahce lose.
Galatsaray win.
Manchester United win.

The only negative was Chelsea also won but that would, perhaps be too much to ask for.

Good game today with a performance that was about 500% better than last weeks garbage. Considering the start that Vestel Manisaspor had they have fallen off the pace rather badly and seemed a shadow of the team that existed before the winter break. Still, who cares as long as the might CimBom keep on rolling, catch and overtake the budgies from Kadikoy......again. How ironic that would be for the same meltdown to happen two years in a row. Probably it will not but one can only hope.

Umit Karan had a stormer today and finally Inamoto appeared to remember why he was picked for Japan. Ilic gave another strong performance although I have to say the defence still makes me hyperventilate occasionally. Wish we could have brought reinforcements in during the transfer window.

Actually, having seen the results from yesterday I am beginning to think that the draw last week in Kayseri was not a bad result given the pasting they gave Ankaragucu on Saturday. Nothing like a trip to the second city to get your dander up and give the AC Milan wannabes a lesson in passing, shooting and generally playing football.

Dont know if anyone else caught it but I watched the Wigan Areshole game as well and Henry gave another demonstration as to why he is NOT a class player. His gloating and frankly childish reaction to the won goal that Wigan conceded to bring L'Arse level (from an offside cross) went unpunished but I really think his attitude sucks. He may be a technically gifted player but when you do things like that you merely incite stuff and he was lucky it was not a more fiery character than Kirkland that he did it to.

I think thats about it.

Contrasting styles

Here I am in snow covered New Jersey watching Galatasaray play Kayseri on a snow covered farmers field. And I have to say I am not overly impressed with the action on offer. Especially as the Husband has just finished watching the Man Utd Tottenham match which saw 4 goals, flowing football, skill and passion.... elements generally missing from the fare on digiturkwebtv. Oh well its only the start of the second half so things could, please get better. Good to see thaht now the break is over the weather went bad...typical.

Why are they not using one of the yellow or orange balls tough, its really difficult to see on the screen, or maybe they are and its the lights are a bit dim like the majority of the play on view.....or maybe thats a blessing in disguise!!!It is a yellow ball, just saw it as Song clattered a player for what is it had been Alex a penalty.

Here is something I don't understand, the Kadikoy mob get punished and have to play in Izmir. How nice at this time of year, no snow, good pitch and you call that a punishment.......more like an advantage at this time of year......

What a crap match...can we play in Izmir too and not on frozen snow covered pitches..

Turkeys finest strike again

I will never cease to be amazed by the absolute moron behavior of some people in Turkey. I refer of course to the leaked pictures showing various of the boys in blue posing with a Turkish Flag and the suspect in the Hrant Dink murder.



Irrespective of what you think about the picture the more disturbing part of this story is the quote from the Chief of Police that "an investigation was under way into officers seen in the footage, as well as into who leaked it to the media." This is so typical, remember the rail crashes a couple of years ago when the Transport Minister blamed the accidents on divine forces rather than offering to take responsibility, resign and fire those responsible. In this case all the cops in the pictures should be thrown off the force, and the person who leaked this should be given a medal. What will happen is the cops will stay and the leaker be punished, probably for insulting Turkishness if the various paragons of Turkishness have their way.

Clean out the stable or resign, Mr Erdogan.

Good start

Well the stadium was empty but the result was not. A good if somewhat uninspiring victory over Ankaraspor 2-0 was a reasonable start to the second half of the season. With the result from Erciyes last night that cuts the points difference to 5 now at the top. I guess the nerves will be jangling in Kadikoy now as a repeat of last season looks like it might be happening.

As I said it was rather uninspiring but we will take the win. The first goal was by Hakan and was deserved, the second a gift from Ankara keeper. Goalies should not try to play in their own area in my opinion but I am glad he did in this case so Sabri could roll the ball in quite easily.

The best part of the game for me was the Romarioesque attempt by Umit to backheel the ball in from a cross by Ilic. Unfortunately Umit is not Romario so the outcome was never really in doubt.....that is he missed.

Otherwise Galatasaray looked solid if a touch unimaginative.

Does anyone care

The Husband has been busy over at Amerikan Turk, I am sure it their love of rubber.....on wheels!!!!

Anyway here is the Husband's comments to a variety of posts. Does anyone care to comment?

Murat, its very very tempting but work will not allow. In the process of bidding three contract worth $1.5bn and I am the package manager for them all...for my sins. I am not still commuting but am riding every weekend, snow or not on the mountain bike or road depending how I feel!!

Peacemaker and bolsa hey: I never said I agreed with liquidation just that people should be punished. Mass killing is not to be condoned by anyone. However you make an interesting point that those who commit treason should be punished directly. However when its a particular ethnicity what are you to do with their families etc. behind your lines. I agree that killing them is not the answer and in todays PC climate morally reprehensible, so lets say internment to ensure that the relatives of the people who commit treason do not now undermine your efforts to repel the invading army. But what do you do when its over, let a group of people back into your society who can create tension?, pretend nothing happened, please tell me what? Assimilation? Look at the Balkans for how successful that is. I don't know, do you?

And yes I agree the Brits have a less than perfect record, remember we invented the concentration camp during the Boer War long before the Germans in WWII. However I cannot agree with you regarding the Americans. Even a cursory reading will reveal that the original reaction to the uprising led by Washington was perceived as "free born Englishmen (who happened to be living in the American Colonies) standing up for the rights against a tyrant (King George III) who happened to be their own King. Most of the books written (by Americans) about the War of Independence make that point so it would have been rather difficult for the Brits to wipe out the......Brits and be accused of genocide. As a good example try 1776 by David McCullough or The First American, biography of Franklin if you doubt my word.

It is very easy to look back with perfect 20/20 hinsight and criticize with our highly evolved morals. But I feel that to understand events you have to consider the morals or ethics of the time. The events we are talking about happened in let's say the 1920's. Go back about 100 years and what can we find in the history of warfare. The battle of Talavera and the Peninsula campaign thats what. What happened there is that after a siege the British Army stormed the town and once inside the town was subjected to 3 days of sacking and looting where a large number of civilians were killed. Why you ask, well the rules of warfare at that time permitted three days of sacking if the local population had helped the army defending the town which is what happened at Talavera. In this instance it was the British Army but read any book about that period and you will see the same story repeated by any army you care to mention. By today's standards we would haul those troops up as they were in breach of the Geneva Convention but that did not exits, or as in Iraq troops would be accused of murder but by the standards of that period it was accepted. Was it genocide? Was it right, please feel free to judge people and events over whom you have no influence because i can't. Or seeing as you raise the Hutus and Tutsis what about the Zulu mefecane that slaughtered thousands in Southern Africa in the 1800's. Basically if Shaka Zulu turned up outside your town you either had to surrender or die. Genocide? Please enlighten me with your modern sensibilities if you feel qualified to judge a people, culture and set of morals you or I cannot possibly understand.

Oh and who ever said I was civilized? Can you not make comments without a personal attack?

Do you feel let down

because I do. By the Government of my country especially. Not because I think they should have been represented at Dinks funeral although I believe their presence would have sen a more powerful message than all the cheap and meaningless words they spouted but because of the lack of accountability and responsibility. After all the words spoken this was followed up by no actions. IN almost any other country the people responsible for security of a major city which includes people who are clearly at risk, such people such as Dink and most other conscientious journalists and thinkers who chose not o blindly follow the party line, would already have been relieved of their positions and sent to Bumfuck, Ohio or similar. However all I see are grinning faces of incompetent lick arse lackies who are in their positions probably because of who they bribed rather than competence. Do they have no shame and no sense of pride. Resign, just get your large mustaches out of my tv screen and let someone who wants to take the job seriously do it and make the country a better place.

I also find it incomprehensible (A Contrarian View on Hrant Dink's Murder - Turkish Torque) that anyone can defend Article 301 or anyone tat says we have duty to prosecute because it exist. So inform on your neighbors when they dont pay tax, when they break the speed limit, when they beat their wife why is there so much attention in a subjectve concept such as Article 301 and who appointed these people as the watchdog of Turkishness. Personally I believe that the actions of the so called Nationalist Lawyers are damaging and insulting to Turkishness, or at least my view of it, so should I launch a prosecution?

Murat goes to the dogs...

Taking heed of the criticism in the last edition of Amerikan Turks Hitch Hikers Guide to Turkish Blogs, I decided that I should post about dogs. That is the furry, 4 legged versions as my previous post was about the other type.....

The weather in New Jersey has turned wintry at last. It snowed Friday for the first time this winter so officially winter is now here although it has been cold for a couple of weeks now. Well when I say snowed there was about 2 inches of the stuff Friday morning and more came down Friday evening.

Of course when this happens the Town send out its grit and salt trucks and they spread a thick layer of crushed rock salt and sand on the roads. Now if any of you have dogs you will know that dogs paws and rock salt do not mix too well. So Saturday morning was the first time I had to deal with that this year and I spent most of the walk sorting out Kimi and Lucky's paws so they would stop limping like bad actors!!

Sunday morning dawned cold and blue sky so off to the local forest/park. The nearest place for us is a park that is based around an old rail road trail. This means that there is a nice flat path for the lazy and then there are lots of side trails that are clearly waymarked to take you up in to the surrounding hills. The Husband uses this area for mountain biking so you get the idea.

Anyway we followed a couple of the side trails and the dogs got some fresh air, without seeing any bears!

What the f........

So Galatasaray finally managed to win a game, 2-1 against Denizlispor with Umit and Hasan Kabze scoring.

However this is completely overshadowed by the events in Istanbul. Why oh why do we continue to shoot ourselves in the foot!!!!! I read the comments by Erdogan and other members of the government but the tears they cry seem like crocodile tears. I see almost every journalist in Turkey suddenly became Dink's friend. Having said that alot of what they say is absolutely true about the effect this senseless act will have on Turkeys relationship with the EU and USA. I see the Armenian Speaker of Parliament is saying Turkey should not even dream of entering the EU, well whet the fuck does it have with that piece of shit.

I have to be honest and say that I have no sympathy for the Armenians based on what I have read about that period in history, yes a lot of them died but so did alot of other Ottoman subjects, especially muslims in Thrace where the Greeks and Bulgarians carried out wholesale slaughter. In Anatolia from what I have read in (non-Turkish) authored books the Armenian troops defected to the invading Russian from the Ottoman units. This is simple its treason so why are they so fucking upset about what happened to them. I wonder whether these losers would be so accommodating or moaning so much of the Russians had won. But they did not, you gambled, you lost FUCKING LIVE WITH IT YOU SHIT HEADS.

If Armenians want compensation for being traitors and losing their gamble then fine, take the Ottoman Sultan to court but why oh why should the current Turkish Government apologize for something that happened before the Republic of Turkey even came into existence.

Did a lot of Armenians die, yes, did a lot of Ottoman Muslims die yes, can I as a descendant of a family from Antep that was almost wiped out by Armenian thugs and French troops request compensation from the Armenian Government or the Frogs, I doubt it so why the fuck should I care about shit from across the border.